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Do you have the link for the study showing caffeine is bad for hair?

There is none for that specifically but there's solid theory behind it. Let me explain the situation. There are conflicting reports about COX1 and COX2 inhibitors. In general they both inhibit the conversion of Arachidonic Acid to PGH2 which will lower both your PGD2 and your PGE2/PGF2a. The second is something we don't want. Cetirizine for example was trialed by the german forum alopezie.de, it's a relatively "clean" cox inhibitor and ended up hurting their hair more than helping them (no doubt because they killed their beneficial prostaglandins as well). On the other hand, there is caffeine. Now caffeine is absolutely dirty. It's not just a cox inhibitor but it has dozens of other biological actions. One of them for example is its direct antagonism of adenosine, in fact that's how caffeine "wakes you up". Sounds good? Well, not really! Because adenosine itself is beneficial to hair, there are several products such as Adenogen which contain it and their efficacy is well known and presented in several studies. Some even saying that it has a similar effect to 2% Minox. Now, caffeine also does have some beneficial actions. In some way it does actually manage to raise pge2/pgf2a, at least if we're going to believe some animal intestine studies and then also believe those to be true in humans as well.
So, long story short. COX inhibitors at large are wildly different and affect too many pathways to be predictable. There are very few "pure" inhibitors, but the pure ones that people tested ended up hurting them. This makes sense theoretically as well as I already pointed out since killing COX will kill your beneficial prostaglandins. Is it worth lowering an extremely important angle (benefiicial prostaglandins) for some other vaguely positive effect? I believe not. With cox inhibitors you are shooting in the dark and most likely you're going to shoot yourself in the foot.
The correct way to approach this is by sticking to direct manipulation of what we know and can change efficiently. Such as blocking the PGD2 receptor which is well researched and for which we have several different candidates. COX inhibition should be avoided at all cost unless *maybe* when you're already using exogenous PGE2 and PGF2a (but even in that case I would not recommend it).
Hope that helps to clear up the confusion a bit.

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You said caffeine is not good, so did you think drink 3 cups of green tea per day is too wrong? How much castor oil you take via oral? ty!

Oral caffeine is less of a big deal than topical. No I think you'll be fine.
1ml

Allergan conducted more trials because they thought the poor results for bimatoprost may be due to bad absorption and/or concentration/dosage... what do you think? and, as for PGE2, how come you know the best dosage and if absorption is good?

I disagree I think the poor performance is because they did nothing to take care of PGD2. It's like trying to walk into a room while the door is still locked. Of course you're gonna bump your head.
There are several studies on the tissue response of pge2 application, 100mcg/ml was the saturation point. As for absorption you can judge that by the solubility and the molecular weight (dalton).

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Hi Swiss! I think I have read from you that you don't use Minox anymore because you lack certain molecule in your body. Can you specify which one and how do you know that - so others can check it?

Yes, it's SULT1A1. Minoxidil is actually a prodrug and doesn't work on its own unless the body converts it into the active sulfated form. I tested minox twice, each time for 6 months. I got nothing from it.
For further reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil#Mechanism_of_action

Swooping says wounding, lithium chloride, sulfasalazine, and PGE2 are all going to give you cancer lol. Any comment?

Well swooping also said he would "quit these shit forums and finally enjoy my life" after he got his transplant. Which he did get last year. Yet here he is again? Might it be related to his job with Kane (yes -the- kane) which according to him "pays more than my part time job ever did"? Hmmm. Maybe we should all just go back to keep being bald and using RU. Kanee's RU! I'm certain if we did that swooping would be very happy and see no more reason to troll us with lies. ;)
Yeah the guy did put in a lot of work into hairloss, that's why it's especially ridiculous that someone like him would claim a blatant lie like that, he definitely knows better. But I lost all respect for him when he started working for Kane two years ago. After calling out scammers he ultimately ended up becoming one himself. Tragic what people do for money. Please screenshot this post and if I ever do try to sell you something call me out on it. Let's hope it never happens though lol.
As for cancer, I answered that in depth here:
http://ask.fm/swisstemples/answer/133632481132

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Hi Swiss Temples, on a french board, a french guy claiming he knows you, has brought out your protocol with sources where we can buy those products. http://forum.doctissimo.fr/sante/calvitie-cheveux/approche-prostaglandines-environnement-sujet_168406_1.htm#t358744 Is it your real protocol?

Hey man. Yeah Nix is on PHG and I remember answering a few of his questions and PM's. He's a good guy and does good work. My french isn't the best but from what I can read his translation is correct and the ghetto protocol is almost exactly what I used.

What are your thoughts on PGE2 and its supposed carcinogenic effects?

No PGE2 itself is not carcinogenic (cancer causing). It's only involved in the growth of cancer cells.
Do you know what else is involved in cancer? Glycogen. Also known as sugar and carbohydrates. So does bread cause cancer? Does chocolate cause cancer? Does ice cream cause cancer? Do your mothers cucpcakes cause cancer? No but it can help it grow.
Let me explain it once again so it's more clear. And please educate everyone you see worrying about this so we can get rid of this myth for good. Carcinogenesis is the actual formation of cancer, turning normal cells cancerous. Examples of carcinogenic substances are benzenes, dioxins and one you definitely heard about before: Asbestos. These are the ones you have to watch out for and avoid. However once cancerous cells have grown there are several things that are involved in their further growth. One way to battle cancers is to inhibit them of one or several of their vital pathways. IGF1 for example causes cancer to *grow*. It's also what makes your muscle and your hair grow though, so should we stop using everything that increases IGF1? The answer is no, because even food can increase IGF1. Another way cancer grows is by feeding on glycogen as I already mentioned. If you do have cancer and cut out carbohydrates you can actually starve some cancer cells. This is however once again only the case when you already *have* cancer. So do you have to cut out all carbohydrates? No, but you can. Yet ANOTHER way cancers grow is through PGE2. Does that mean we have to cut out PGE2? Well maybe if you already *have* cancer. But PGE2 itself is also involved in wound healing, in hair growth and plenty of other things in the body.
I don't know if the person who told you PGE2 causes cancer is just uninformed or wildly stupid. But it's definitely not the case that you have to worry about it giving you cancer. It's involved in processes all over your body, processes you can't stricly call either "good" or "bad". It's part of you and me and every human on the planet and that's ok lol.
Do me a favor and share this post everywhere you see people claiming PGE2 causes cancer. Thanks!
For further reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3702200/
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v517/n7533/full/nature14034.html
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00281-012-0342-8

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How would you apply Cloprostenol topically? Does it need a vehicle when marketed as PGCL?

I answered this about 30 minutes ago, have a look at the older answers. If you have cloprostenol powder I'd use an ethanol vehicle. Add a % of water if you want.

Saw some guy on youtube showing off his skincare routine and when he was scrubbing his face I lost it when he started WASHING HIS BALD NW2 TEMPLES and I was like "damn, he needs some swissy in his life"

Haha poor guy. But hey at least he's keeping clean!

Hi Swiss. Amazing job you're doing! Have you seen this study? http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10103-014-1636-y Do you think good-old lasers Hairmax style could be a safe alternative to UVB rays?

Nope, but I have now. :D
No I don't believe in lasers. If they work at all it's definitely by the exact same mechanism as UVB sunburns (it's not the UVB itself causing the pge2 expression, it's the burn). And considering that, I would rather use a 40$ uvb lamp than a 1200$ glorified disco ball.

There's new hair growing below my eyes and I think this is due to oral castor oil, will this cease when I stop using it? I don't mind if it's only temporary

Yes that's hypertrichosis. Shave or pluck it.
It's going to fall out a few days to a week after you stop using castor oil orally.

I'm having some trouble finding LiCL, where do get yours?

Ebay. Make sure it's high purity and free of heavy metals.

Hey Swiss, Ive been on the big 3 for 2 years and ive kept most of my hair but i havent seen any cosmetic regrowth. What would you suggest me to add to my regime to get better results? Thanks!

Topical and oral castor. Dermarolling once a week with LiCL treatment immediately after. Sulfasalazine if you want. Topical cloprostenol if you can get your hands on some.

Do you really think septipiprant would be realeased prior to 2020? Please explain the reasons why. I don't have side effects with fin but I would rather not take it. ty

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I hope so, Kythera is putting quite a lot of money into it. But I can't tell for sure obviously.

Since VPA is a liquid form, is it possible to use Valproic acid sodium salt instead of vpa (powder is better for shipping). Thanks :)

Yes but VPA is preferred.

How can last 100mg of pge2 ? 100 days ? More ? Any "average" answer ( i know it's no easy ;) )

I suggest 100mcg/ml. I don't know how many ml you intend to use so do that part of the math on your own.
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I consider yourself a smart guy. However I saw you recommending DMSO. DMSO is very dangerous as it can deliver *anything* that is on the skin to the bloodstream with all the severe side effects that means.

I am aware of that. DMSO handling and usage needs to be respected and treated the right way. I've talked about how to use it on here and I've also written about it at length on PHG and answered hundreds of questions on the forum about it. There comes a certain time when you just can't spoonfeed everyone anymore. My approach is obviously not FDA approved and I expect people to use their own head and decide what they want and don't want to use on their on. This is after all experimental. Feel free to recommend a different vehicle to people. This is what I use.
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Hey Swiss,thanks for all your work here. Came across this comment on reddit recently from a scientist doing alopecia research. You use UV lamp, seems it could be bad. https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3myf47/plos_science_wednesday_hi_reddit_im_zhengquan_yu/cvj76vq

What is good and what is bad? Ketoconazole lowers pge2 expression but it's also a pretty good topical anti androgen which will help you keep your hair. Does that make it good? Does that make it bad? Depends on your situation and how you use it. Learn to think in shades of grey and mix and match the optimal things to your situation.
But, real talk. Yes sunburns are not healthy. That's why I only recommend to get them through UVB and not UVA which penetrates deeper and causes more damage. That's also why I repeatedly call to not use it more than 3 minutes at first and see how you react, and to stick to once a week.
As for why I use UVB now and will keep using it, well there is an extreme physical response to sun burns and we can take advantage of that. PGE2 expression is upregulated compared to normal skin in sunburns. Throw in some Sulfasalazine to further skew the PHG2 synthesis more towards PGE2 than PGD2 and you end up with a potent cocktail of PGE2 boosting. So, is it good? Is it bad? :D
Further reading for you:
http://i.imgur.com/NMr3Ssb.jpg
http://www.fasebj.org/content/23/11/3947.full.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7287956
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25939367
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9476631

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Could you please clarify the difference between activating one PGE2 receptor (with for example Castor Oil) and using Miconazole (which elevates PGE1/2)? Is Miconazole useless if you don't activate the receptor(s)?

Read this first http://ask.fm/swisstemples/answer/133417416812
Elevating endogenous PGE1 and PGE2 expression means your body is producing more *real* pge1 and pge2. These activate the receptors fully.
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